tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post5457036224906007159..comments2010-07-22T14:11:22.742-07:00Comments on Localvore Oregon: HR2749 - a thorough reading reveals many problemsLarisahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04270242253150752116noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-84692590007351597802009-08-10T13:55:51.123-07:002009-08-10T13:55:51.123-07:00I'll admit I found out I did not see the last ...I'll admit I found out I did not see the last version of the bill, just the last published version the night after the vote. I now have the final final bill... considerably longer, of course... and I promise to read it at some point in the next week or so to see what has changed. And yes, Lynn, you are right. I get interstate and intrastate mixed up all the time. (People keep correcting me, too, but it seems to be a mental block of mine!)Larisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04270242253150752116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-13047324481584150472009-08-09T13:46:41.048-07:002009-08-09T13:46:41.048-07:00Another "Anonymous" posted above, first ...Another "Anonymous" posted above, first comment, stating that you were OVERREACTING. <br /><br />I strongly disagree. Actually, I think your reaction is right-on, and should be shared by each and every American - or world citizen. This bill affect everyone - in all the ways you mentioned in your article/summary. And in many ways that haven't been seen or discussed yet.<br /><br />The main points are: 1. This bill & specific provisions therein are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. (the problem with that is this: our gov doesn't recognize the Constitution anymore and so they have no responsibility to follow it and the courts for the most part, follow along.) However, if state govs still believe in the Constitution, then we may be able to get states involved to protect the citizenry. <br /><br />2. The FDA and/or all other gov entities have proven that even when their actions are entirely constrained by specific & identifiable language, they will act outside of the constraints. Even worse, is when, like in this bill, the language is so broad and vague, and the power is vested in appointed bureaucrats. Not much in this bill is defined or outlined with specificity. This bill essentially declares "open season" on farmers & food producers - anyone in the food chain, actually. <br /><br />They can make it up as they go, they have absolutely no accountability for their actions, and they have unlimited power - to search & seize, to disrupt and/or halt commerce, to finacially target & destroy at will. <br /><br />You don't think they'll do that? You don't believe that war is being waged on family farms & small producers-distributors? it's all "conspiracy theory" or overreaction? <br /><br />Just for a stater, read the article below (from wholefoodusa.wordpress.com). Then go to you tube & listen to the story of the Ohio Manna Storehouse. And go to the Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund website and read a few articles, court documents or other writings there. <br /><br />Then, you'll see that none of this is exaggerated or overreacted conspiracy nonsense. It's real. And it will have devastating impact on our lives if we allow it to happen. <br /><br />FDA Hits Small Family Food Ministry for $100K for HyperLinking to Health Research<br /><br />Annette and Ken Fischer, and their family, started a business up near Silver Bay, Minnesota called Wilderness Family Naturals in 2000 to supply healthy nutrient-dense products like coconut oil, dried berries, and spices (and later, dozens of other products) over the Internet. Just five years into it, their problems began– with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). (read the rest of the story at: <br />http://wholefoodusa.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/fda-busts-small-family-food-firm-linking-to-health-research/)<br /><br />THEN TAKE ACTION! Get involved. NOW! Call, write your state & fed reps. Talk to neighbors, get them to take action. And keep at it!<br /><br />Also for this site owner/blogger: I point this out as a gentle critique ... several times you used the word "interstate" when it seemed like you were meaning that the commerce was only within that state - if that's the case, in-state commerce only? It's intrastate. "Interstate" commerce means between the states, from one state to the other. Or maybe I misread the sentence & could be mistaken about the word use.<br /><br />anyway, thank you ever so much for writing the blog & the hard work you put into helping the small farmers community. you're a hero! /s/ Lynn Roberts, lynn@lawyerlynn.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-59796255596875735202009-08-01T17:19:07.921-07:002009-08-01T17:19:07.921-07:00I'm not familiar with HAACP, but I am familiar...I'm not familiar with HAACP, but I am familiar with the Constitution. HR 2749 violates it as well as our personal liberties and right to feed ourselves!charli_horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02980163445737606760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-56615080140130607772009-07-31T14:28:31.929-07:002009-07-31T14:28:31.929-07:00I'll admit I have never worked in any place th...I'll admit I have never worked in any place that could be considered a food processing facility (up until now) but from conversations with people who own them and are responsible for HAACP, HAACP is ineffective, is a waste of time and money and you are definitely at the whim of your inspector. No first hand knowlege here of HAACP, but I've been in the farm rights community since 1999 and converse with people in multiple states. I've been to court in support of a few of them. So although I don't claim to have personal knowledge in some of the issues I addressed above, I can claim to be educated on them.Larisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04270242253150752116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-26765951251657648232009-07-31T09:22:20.175-07:002009-07-31T09:22:20.175-07:00oh, and from the Congressional Budget Office...
CB...oh, and from the Congressional Budget Office...<br />CBO estimates that:<br /> Implementing the bill would increase spending subject to appropriation, on net, by about $2.0 billion over the 2010-2014 period, assuming annual appropriation action consistent with the bill; and <br /> Federal revenues from civil penalties for food related violations of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act would increase by $10 million over the 2010-2014 period and by $20 million over the 2010-2019 period.<br />H.R. 2749 would impose a number of mandates, as defined in the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act (UMRA), on individuals and entities involved in producing, manufacturing, processing, packing, transporting, distributing, receiving, holding, importing, or exporting articles of food. CBO estimates that the total cost of those mandates would exceed the threshold established in UMRA for private-sector entities ($139 million in<br />2 2009, adjusted annually for inflation) in each year, beginning with 2010. Given the<br />limited number of public entities affected by the requirements, CBO estimates that the<br />costs of intergovernmental mandates would fall below the threshold established in UMRA ($69 million in 2009, adjusted annually for inflation). <br />http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10478/hr2749.pdfBeckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10250734277726876292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-47128764079952582272009-07-31T09:15:58.026-07:002009-07-31T09:15:58.026-07:00Oh, and additionally, the Senate DOESN'T know ...Oh, and additionally, the Senate DOESN'T know about the rewording of the bill... Re: Larisa's concern #14. etc.Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10250734277726876292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-60653268512061004212009-07-31T09:14:07.237-07:002009-07-31T09:14:07.237-07:00I just called Sen. Wyden's office and got the ...I just called Sen. Wyden's office and got the ROYAL brushoff. His number is (202) 224-5244. It's going over to the Senate next... Jeff Merkley's number is (202) 224-3753 his staff member Jeremy, was really kind and instructive. Pass your comments and concerns to THIS office.<br />Here's the Thomas report... http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.2749:<br />informative.Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10250734277726876292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4155791133369414168.post-25830162580677596302009-07-31T08:10:11.556-07:002009-07-31T08:10:11.556-07:00You are over reacting a bit here. HACCP is an app...You are over reacting a bit here. HACCP is an approach that puts you as the business owner in control of your processes. There will be guidance given to create your plans. I will assume that most will be quite basic and very simple to write and follow. We have been using HACCP for years in our meat facility. It's not that bad. Calm down a little, understand the language used in the bill, investigate a little, and you'll be fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com